Self Destruction
featuring KRS One, Mc Delite, Kool Moe Dee, MC Lyte, Daddy O & Wise, D-Nice, Ms. Melodie, Doug E. Fresh, Just-Ice, Heavy D, Fruitkwan, Chuck D & Flavor Flav
vs.
We’re All In The Same Gang
featuring King Tee, Body & Soul, Def Jeff, Tone-Loc, Above The Law, Ice T, Dr. Dre & Ren, J.J. Fad, Young MC, Digital Underground, Oaktown 3.5.7., and Eazy E
There aren’t many songs in Hip Hop that embody “posse cuts” more than these two. I can only think of one, Ice-T’s What You Wanna Do? But these two, they are much more widely known. On one hand, the artists were taking a public stand against violence and on the other hand, uniquely representing their region. Almost like an East Coast vs. West Coast rap battle without the declaration of not having a producer all up in the videos.
As a regular reader you know, these battles are subjective and follow three rules. The competing songs:
- must feature at least three different MCs;
- cannot be from the same crew; and
- will be from a similar region (today’s region is the Hip Hop nation).
The battles are also scored like a relay:
0 – Maybe y’all should have just sang the hook instead of this verse;
1 – Okay, we hear you;
2 – Whoa, that was nice!; and
3 – DAAANNNNGGG, I’ll be repeating those bars all day!
Lead-off Leg: KRS-One vs. King Tee
Truly, this is just my opinion; yet, it seemed to me that the Stop the Violence Movement was a real thing while the West Coast All-Stars was in response to the popularity of Self-Destruction. The catalyst of the Stop The Violence Movement is the Blast Master KRS-One, who sets the table with:
Well, today’s topic, self-destruction
It really ain’t the rap audience that’s bugging
It’s one or two suckers, ignorant brothers
Trying to rob and steal from one another
You get caught in the mid
So to crush the stereotype here’s what we did
We got ourselves together
So that you could unite and fight for what’s right
Not negative ’cause the way we live is positive
We don’t kill our relatives
Whereas King Tee opens with:
It’s straight up madness everywhere I look
Used to be a straight a student, now he’s a crook
Robbing people just to smoke or shoot up
Used to have a crew cut, now he’s a pooh-butt
Dropped out of school and he joins the neighborhood gang
Hanging on the streets selling ‘caine
To his own people
Now when I say people I mean color
You a stupid mother-
More legendary than his verse is the effort and vision KRS-One had to exert to make this historical milestone happen. Yet, with both MCs, they are simply setting us up for what to expect.
KRS One -1 King Tee – 1
Stop The Violence Movement– 1 West Coast All-Stars – 1
Second Leg: MC Delite vs. Body & Soul
MC Delite was a part of the Stetsasonic crew, who … well I put it like this, if naming all the members of the Wu-Tang is a test of one’s Hip Hop fandom; then naming all of Stetsasonic must make one a Hall of Fame Hip Hop Head or maybe just old. Either way, Delite keeps it simple:
Pop pop pop
One is shot, who’s to blame?
Headlines, front page, and rap’s the name
MC Delite here to state the bottom line
That black-on-black crime was way before our time
His point then was clearly-stated. Nowadays, when political talking heads mention “Black on Black” crime we know they are trying to divert the message to something else. The majority of victims of crime are victimized by someone who looks like them; yet, no one uses the term White on White crime or Asian on Asian crime. That wasn’t what Delite meant so let me get back to the rhymes.
Body & Soul serves up some feminine flavor with:
Sisters, since we are the mothers of this earth
It’s time we start being good mothers from the birth
Of our children, no time for sleeping
Teach them to fight and win for the right reason
It’s your time, it’s your life, live it
Proud to be black, young and gifted
Lifted by the knowledge and taking the right route
Gang violence needs to be wiped out
The maternal perspective gets one up on Delite.
MC Delite -1 Body & Soul – 2
Stop The Violence Movement– 2 West Coast All-Stars – 3
Third Leg: Kool Moe Dee vs. Def Jeff
One challenge with posse cuts is maintaining the uniqueness of one’s voice. I think in some cases, voices become blended together into one hodgepodge of a song. The best MCs stand out amid the crowd, just like Kool Moe Dee:
Took a brother’s life with a knife as his wife
Cried ’cause he died a trifling death
When he left his very last breath
Was “I slept so watch your step”
Back in the sixties our brothers and sisters were hanged
How could you gang-bang?
I never ever ran from the Ku Klux Klan
And I shouldn’t have to run from a black man
Kool Moe Dee stood out with flow. The beat even changes up a bit when he spits. Def Jeff on the other hand, maintains the topic but doesn’t really stand out from the others:
One and the same
Everyone came in the same chains
Caught with the same aim
Brain games and names changed
To protect the innocent by-stander
Lies, slander and the master-planner
Kool Moe Dee -2 Def Jeff- 1
Stop The Violence Movement– 4 West Coast All-Stars – 4
Fourth Leg: MC Lyte vs. Tone Loc
Lyte not only adds feminine flavor, but her own unique voice allows her to follow Kool Moe Dee without missing a beat:
Funky fresh dressed to impress, ready to party
Money in your pocket, dying to move your body
To get inside you paid the whole ten dollars
Scotch taped with a razor blade taped to your collar
Leave the guns and the crack and the knives alone
MC Lyte’s on the microphone
Bum rushing and pushing, snatching and taxing
I cram to understand why brothers don’t be maxing
There’s only one disco, they’ll close one more
You ain’t guarding the door, so what you got a gun for?
Do you rob the rich and give to the poor?
Speaking of unique voices, Tone Loc may have one the most unique of all. Almost like blues legend Howlin’ Wolf spitting the rhymes but with a little more cool:
Now as a youth I used to get my bang on
And on the ave get my part-time slang on
Doing time for me was no joke though
They knew I was crazy, so they labelled me Loco
Khakis creased, golf hat, feelin‘ sporty
Low ridin‘ and tossin‘ up a forty
Thinkin‘ in my mind that no one could handle us
The downest brothers ever touched Los Angeles
He ain’t topping Lyte with those bars.
MC Lyte -2 Tone Loc- 1
Stop The Violence Movement– 6 West Coast All-Stars – 5
Fifth Leg: Daddy O & Wise vs. Above The Law
Daddy O and Wise are also a part of the Stetsasonic crew and deliver their bars in tandem as if they had been doing so for years:
Straight from the mouth of Wise and Daddy-O
Do a crime, end up in jail and gotta go
‘Cause you could do crime and get paid today
And tomorrow you’re behind bars in the worst way
Far from your family, ’cause you’re locked away
Now tell me, do you really think crime pays?
Scheming on taking what your brother had?
(You little sucker) you’re talkin’ all that jazz
In a previous match-up, I referred to my love for Above the Law. That love was evident because until they spit, I really wasn’t feeling the song:
Bein’ the pimps that we are
We’re here to speak on a situation that has gone too far
Here at home in the ghettos of LA
Where a young black brother’s not promised to see the next day
Cause we used to clock on the streets before we made beats
But fools just lay and prey on the weak
It don’t depend on the color of a rag
Cause if you got what they want you know they gonna take what you have
Cause violence don’t only revolve from drugs and thugs
And gangs that bang
Most times it’s a political thang
This could be a pretty interesting match-up as both of these groups sort of peaked in popularity before their respective coasts blew up. Above the Law has a more extensive catalog; yet, when Stetsasonic member Prince Paul does his thing with De Las Soul – Hip Hop was changed forever. As far as these tracks go:
Daddy O & Wise -1 Above the Law – 2
Stop The Violence Movement– 7 West Coast All-Stars – 7
Sixth Leg: D-Nice vs. Ice T
D-Nice got more props as a DJ than MC; but he does not disappoint when he spits:
It’s time to stand together in a unity
‘Cause if not then we’re soon to be
Self-destroyed, unemployed
The rap race will be lost without a trace
Or a clue but what to do
Is stop the violence and kick the science
Down the road that we call eternity
Where knowledge is formed and you’ll learn to be
Self-sufficient, independent
To teach to each is what rap intended
But society wants to invade
So do not walk this path they laid
On the other hand, Ice T is the Godfather of West Coast Rap. His rhyme style screams “1980s!!” but he always let us know he was a wise hustler. He proved it by being the target of a national boycott due to his Cop Killa track with Body Count; yet, today he is more widely known as cop on the TV show, Law & Order. To quote sports commentator, Jalen Rose, Ice T “keep gettin’ them checks!”
Ice-T rippin the microphone the way I do
Listen close, my brothers, cause I’m talkin to you
The problem is we got a suicidal lifestyle
Cause 90 percent of us are livin foul and wild
I say job, you say
(bad joke, I rather jack another brother, watch the gun smoke)
Livin in the fast lane flippin like you’re insane
You won’t stop until your blood runs down the street drain
I got an idea, give me a minute
And if it makes sense, then get with it
What if we could take our enemies, feed em poison
Undereducate their girls and boys and
Split em up, make em fight one another
Better yet, make em kill for a color
All my brothers need to know one thing
No matter what you think, we’re all in the same gang
D-Nice -2 Ice T – 2
Stop The Violence Movement– 9 West Coast All-Stars – 9
Seventh Leg: Ms. Melodie vs. Dr. Dre & Ren
I got love for Ms. Melodie because she tried to bring some lady-like class to the rap game while still having the skills to spit. On this track, she flows:
I’m Ms. Melodie and I’m a born again rebel
The violence in rap must cease and seckle
If we want to develop and grow to another level
We can’t be guinea pigs for the devil
The enemy knows, they’re no fools
Because everyone knows that hip-hop rules
So we gotta get a grip and grab what’s wrong
The opposition is weak and rap is strong.
Dr. Dre and Ren of NWA wanted us to know:
Yo, we’re not here to preach because we’re not ministers
We’re telling like it is cause Ren and Dre is like sinister
Reality speaks for itself when it’s spoken
A basehead cluck can’t blame nobody for smoking
But these lines:
N.W.A never preaching, just teaching
The knowledge of the streets
Is where they lost me. Their verse fit on this song, but NWA teaching? Nah son, I ain’t buying that.
Ms. Melodie – 1 Dr. Dre & Ren – 1
Stop The Violence Movement– 10 West Coast All-Stars – 10
Eighth Leg: Doug E. Fresh vs. J.J. Fad
Lyrically is Doug one of the greats? I don’t think so. But will you remember him after you’ve heard him? Yes and that’s the whole point. His verse on this track was simple but memorable in delivery:
This is all about, no doubt, to stop violence
But first let’s have a moment of silence
(Beatboxing)… swing
Things been stated re-educated, evaluated
Thoughts of the past have faded
The only thing left is the memories of our belated
And I hate it, when
Someone dies and gets all hurt up
For a silly gold chain by a chump (Word up)
It doesn’t make you a big man (And)
To want to go out and dis your brother man (And)
You don’t know that’s part of the plan (Why?)
‘Cause rap music is in full demand
Understand
Perhaps like any Hip Hop Head raising daughters, I endured a spell of my little girls mimicking J.J. Fad.’s Supersonic. But I don’t have any experience with them saying:
The J double, F, the a, the d, that is
And if you want the solution to the quiz
What’s black and black, yo, and kills another?
An ignorant sucker that isn’t labelled as a brother
But another
So now it’s time we evolve
And get together and solve it
Doug E. Fresh – 2 J.J. Fad – 1
Stop The Violence Movement– 12 West Coast All-Stars – 11
Ninth Leg: Just-Ice vs. Young MC
Do we even need to check the lyrics? Well, it’s closer than you think. The brevity of Just-Ice’s verse may be an excuse or maybe Young MC isn’t as bad as we thought.
Brothers killin’ other brothers
I thought the idea was to love one another?
Open up the paper to one more death
If y’all keep this up then there’ll be no one left.
See that wasn’t that bad. Now it’s Just-Ice’s turn to bust a move:
My name is Just-Ice — a man, not a prankster
I was known as the gangster
But believe me that is no fun
The time is now to unite everyone
You don’t have to be soft to be for peace
Robbing and killing and murdering is the least
You don’t have to be chained by the beast
But party people it’s time I release!
Just-Ice – 1 Young MC – 1
Stop The Violence Movement– 13 West Coast All-Stars – 12
Tenth Leg: Heavy D vs. Digital Underground
YESSIR! Some real contenders! One of those second-round playoffs that could be better than the conference finals match-ups. Heav gets it going with:
Ayo here’s the situation: idiodicy
Nonsense, violence, not a good policy
Therefore we must ignore, fighting and fussing
Heavy’s at the door so there’ll be no bum-rushing
Yet, not even the Diddly Diddly Dee can top the interplay between Shock G and Humpty Hump:
I’m in a rage
Oh yeah? Yo, why is that G?
Other races, they say we act like rats in a cage
I tried to argue, but check it, every night in the news
We prove them suckers right and I got the blues
America
Get busy, Humpty
The red, the white, the blue and
The blue and the red
For Crips and Bloods
The white for who’s got you doin
Time bustin caps on one another
The Underground’s down for peace among brothers
Heavy D – 1 Digital Underground – 2
Stop The Violence Movement– 14 West Coast All-Stars – 14
Y’all this getting long. I’m just going to let Fruitkwan, Oaktown 3.5.7., and MC Hammer chill. I’m guessing y’all would be cool with that.
Anchor Leg: Chuck D & Flavor Flav vs. Eazy E
No contest. Yeah, their legends for their respective reasons. On one hand, it’s easy to underestimate Chuck’s flow because his voice is so outstanding. Flavor is the perfect compliment and they work their magic here:
Yes, we urge to merge, we live for the love of our people
The hope: they get along (Yeah, so we did a song)
Getting the point to our brothers and sisters
Who don’t know the time (Boyyyee, so we wrote a rhyme)
Instead in your head, you know, our job
To build and collect ourselves with intellect (Come on)
To revolve, to evolve to self-respect
‘Cause we got to keep ourselves in check
Or else it’s…
The perfect end to that song. Now Eazy seeks to stay hard on a stop the violence track – go figure:
Last but not least, yo, Eazy’s no sell-out
And if you can’t hang in the streets, then get the hell out
I’m not tryin to tell ya what to do
You have your own freedom of choice who to listen to
You knew good from bad, fair from foul, right from wrong
Now your mother’s singing that sad song
(My baby ain’t never hurt nobody!)
But he still got smoked at BeBe’s party
But you’re not the first or the last
You’re nothin but a short story from the past
You’re dead now, not number one but a zero
Take notes from Eazy-E, the violent hero
Chuck D & Flavor Flav – 2 Eazy E- 1
Stop The Violence Movement– 16 West Coast All-Stars – 15
The Stop the Violence Movement is the champ!